I'm inclined to disagree. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. The Overground operates under its own livery. For locomotives used on internal British Rail duties, a separate livery of a plain darker grey was created. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. 3 Apr 2022 . Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. Or the awful corporate blue BR? Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. Heh. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. Most of the coverage has focused on this. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. It's good work (and the previous set). Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. Finsbury Park. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. Northern and TPE split into separate Northwest and Northeast brands. There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries . The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Lima class 47 D1574 British Rail Green Livery UNBOXED at the best online prices at eBay! The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. The pleasure's all mine. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. Then theres the question of livery. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. I could see those different types of logos being used across scenarios. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Home Forums NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. The attachments illustrate this. Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. 1948 -. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Why? Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. From July 1956 the Southern Region began using a 'coaching stock' green that was somewhat darker than the malachite green colour of the old Southern Railway and this extended to former Southern vehicles as well as Mk1 stock. Which does what it says on the tin. You are using an out of date browser. The Union Jack will represent. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. It'll be operated quite differently. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Job done. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Read about the differences between Britain, the. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Wholely agree. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. 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I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. You are using an out of date browser. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. But theres no particular reason this should be. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Erm are you sure about that? Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. The Great British Railway - and please, spare us the flag-waving - will incorporate Network Rail (renationalised in 2002 after privatised Railtrack collapsed), ticketing and awarding operator . I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). You are using an out of date browser. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. 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